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Jamil El Kebir (APK): 1870 cs
Jamil El Kebir (APK)
1870 cs RAS-1

A Foundation Horse  -  see The Documentation, pp 120-225

A Saqlawi Jidran of the marbat of Ibn Zubayni of the Mhayd section of the Fid'an tribe, imported c1880 to Egypt. [Also called Gamil El Kebir or Jamil El Ashkar El Kebir]

    NOTES: The above information (except for the dates, which are Al Khamsa estimates) is from the RAS History and the 1932 certified pedigree for *Bint Saada and the journals of Lady Anne Blunt. The RAS History refers to this horse as "Gamil El Kebir, chestnut from Arabia." Lady Anne Blunt in her 1904 Sheykh Obeyd catalog under Noma describes Jamil El Kebir not by name, but as "the Chestnut Seglawi Jedran brought direct from Ibn Sbeyni to Prince Ahmed Pasha." Lady Anne calls this horse "the old chestnut Ibn Sbeyni Seglawi..." [J&C 4.11.1891]. According to Judith Forbis [Classic, pp195-6], Jamil El Kebir was from Ibn Zubayni of the Mhayd Fid'an and was imported to Egypt for Prince Ahmad Pasha Kamal. More recent information [EAD, 2005] describes Ibn Zubayni as a member of the Shumaylat, related to the Mhayd section of the Fid'an tribe.
    Raswan Index entries #4292, #4293 and #4294-perhaps because of incomplete nomenclature-confuse this horse with Saklawi I (APS) and Jamil (APS). Jamil El Kebir's son, Jamil El Ahmar (APK) was a mature stallion when seen by Lady Anne Blunt in 1889. Jamil (APS) was not foaled until 1896, and Saklawi I (APS) was a grey said to have been foaled in 1886, so neither stallion could have had mature progeny in 1889.

Tail Male: Jamil El Kebir (APK)

Ancestral Elements
             Egypt I, 100.0%

Jamil El Kebir (APK): 1870 cs

AK Descendants (3 Generations): 1885 bs Jamil El Ahmar (APK) (Jamil El Kebir (APK) x Sabha El Zarka (APS)) 1890 gs Dahman El Azrak (APK) (Jamil El Ahmar (APK) x Farida Dabbani (APS)) 1897 gs Rabdan El Azrak (APK) [ 7] (Dahman El Azrak (APK) x Rabda (APK)) 1900 cm Tarfa (APK) [ 3] (Dahman El Azrak (APK) x Bint Freiha (APK)) 1909 gm Negma (KDV) [ 5] (Dahman El Azrak (APK) x Bint Yamama (KDV)) 1911 gm Aroussa (MNL) [ 2] (Dahman El Azrak (APK) x Bint Yamama (KDV))

Total descendants 41516
Descendants by generation
 1,   1
 2,   1
 3,   4
 4,  16
 5,  55
 6, 167
 7, 530
 8, 820
18, 611
19,  75
20,   4
Descendants by year
 1880-9,   1 
 1890-9,   2 
 1900-9,   6 
 1910-9,  13 
 1920-9,  29 
 1930-9,  95 
 1940-9, 217 
 1950-9, 388 
 1960-9, 949 
Randal T Abler Tue, Aug 13, 2019 8:09:55 AM fží