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DAHMAN EL AZRAK (APK) |
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| 1890 GS EGYPT*69 | Breeder: PRINCE AHMAD PASHA KAMAL | |
| Tail Male: JAMIL EL KEBIR (APK) | Tail Female: FARIDA DABBANI (APS) | |
A Pre-Registration Horse
A Dahman Shahwan.
NOTES: The above information (except for the date, which is an Al Khamsa estimate and the breeder, which is from Lady Anne Blunt), is from the certified pedigrees for the Babson and Brown imports of 1932 and the RAS History, p41.
Lady Anne Blunt's 1909 Sheykh Obeyd Catalog describes the sire of Noma and Sabah as "Dahman a white [flea bitten] Dahman Shahwan bred by Prince Ahmed Pasha, his dam Ferida, his sire Jamil, Dark Bay Seglawi Jedran, bred by Prince Ahmed Pasha..."
However, in earlier journal entries, Lady Anne refers to two other stallions as grey Dahmans specifically described as out of Farida Dabbani and owned by Prince Ahmad Pasha Kamal. The first of these is described as by Koheilan El Mossen [J&C, 3.9.1904], "a white Dahman Shahwan, dam the Dahmeh that belonged to Ahmed Bey Sennari, sire the Keh. A. of Mesenneh strain brought to A.B. Sennari from the desert..." No age is implied. [See also the entry for Koheilan El Mossen (KDV)]
The second is described on two different occasions. On the first [J&C, 3.10.1907], she said, "Dahman 14 years... his dam Ferida the Dahmeh Shahwanieh of Sennari, his sire the old white Seglawi..." On the second [J&C, 12.2.1907], this stallion is said to be 16 years of age. These two references would place this horse as being foaled in the 1890-1893 range. Colin Pearson [1988, xxv] discusses the pedigree of Dahman El Azrak, quoting Lady Anne (evidently in a herd book entry) as saying his sire was "the old white Seg. Jed. Ahmed Pasha had from A.P.S." It is not known whether this "old white Seglawi" is the same horse as Saklawi I. [See also the entry for Saklawi I (APS)] Lady Anne [J&C, 2.22.1905] remembers that Farida Dabbani was taken at the death of Ahmed Bey Sennari (which was late 1893, according to Wilfrid Blunt, My Diaries, 12.5.1893) by Prince Ahmad Pasha Kemal.
It is impossible to say whether there were three grey sons of Farida Dabbani owned by Prince Ahmad, or whether all of the listed progeny are by only one of the several stallions called Dahman. The birthdate of Bint Roga Al Zarka (APK) (dam of the c1898 Om Dalal) implies that, at least in this case, her sire, if it was Dahman El Azrak, was foaled at least as early as 1891-2, and therefore he would have been bred by Ahmed Bey Sennari and gone with his dam, Farida Dabbani, to Prince Ahmad after the death of Sennari.
A Dahman Shahwan.
NOTES: The above information (except for the date, which is an Al Khamsa estimate and the breeder, which is from Lady Anne Blunt), is from the certified pedigrees for the Babson and Brown imports of 1932 and the RAS History, p41.
Lady Anne Blunt's 1909 Sheykh Obeyd Catalog describes the sire of Noma and Sabah as "Dahman a white [flea bitten] Dahman Shahwan bred by Prince Ahmed Pasha, his dam Ferida, his sire Jamil, Dark Bay Seglawi Jedran, bred by Prince Ahmed Pasha..."
However, in earlier journal entries, Lady Anne refers to two other stallions as grey Dahmans specifically described as out of Farida Dabbani and owned by Prince Ahmad Pasha Kamal. The first of these is described as by Koheilan El Mossen [J&C, 3.9.1904], "a white Dahman Shahwan, dam the Dahmeh that belonged to Ahmed Bey Sennari, sire the Keh. A. of Mesenneh strain brought to A.B. Sennari from the desert..." No age is implied. [See also the entry for Koheilan El Mossen (KDV)]
The second is described on two different occasions. On the first [J&C, 3.10.1907], she said, "Dahman 14 years... his dam Ferida the Dahmeh Shahwanieh of Sennari, his sire the old white Seglawi..." On the second [J&C, 12.2.1907], this stallion is said to be 16 years of age. These two references would place this horse as being foaled in the 1890-1893 range. Colin Pearson [1988, xxv] discusses the pedigree of Dahman El Azrak, quoting Lady Anne (evidently in a herd book entry) as saying his sire was "the old white Seg. Jed. Ahmed Pasha had from A.P.S." It is not known whether this "old white Seglawi" is the same horse as Saklawi I. [See also the entry for Saklawi I (APS)] Lady Anne [J&C, 2.22.1905] remembers that Farida Dabbani was taken at the death of Ahmed Bey Sennari (which was late 1893, according to Wilfrid Blunt, My Diaries, 12.5.1893) by Prince Ahmad Pasha Kemal.
It is impossible to say whether there were three grey sons of Farida Dabbani owned by Prince Ahmad, or whether all of the listed progeny are by only one of the several stallions called Dahman. The birthdate of Bint Roga Al Zarka (APK) (dam of the c1898 Om Dalal) implies that, at least in this case, her sire, if it was Dahman El Azrak, was foaled at least as early as 1891-2, and therefore he would have been bred by Ahmed Bey Sennari and gone with his dam, Farida Dabbani, to Prince Ahmad after the death of Sennari.
Tail Male: JAMIL EL KEBIR (APK)
Tail Female: FARIDA DABBANI (APS)
| DAHMAN EL AZRAK (APK) 1890 GS |
JAMIL EL AHMAR (APK) 1885 BS |
JAMIL EL KEBIR (APK) 1870 CS |
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| SABHA EL ZARKA (APS) 1882 GM |
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| FARIDA DABBANI (APS) 1880 GM |
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DAHMAN EL AZRAK (APK)
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Total descendants:(Return To : Ancestral Elements) |
43347 |
Descendants by generation |
Descendants by year |
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1 : 4 2 : 16 3 : 77 4 : 267 5 : 1032 6 : 4243 7 : 12458 8 : 14453 9 : 8597 10 : 2117 11 : 83 |
1890 - 1899 : 1 1900 - 1909 : 6 1910 - 1919 : 13 1920 - 1929 : 31 1930 - 1939 : 95 1940 - 1949 : 218 1950 - 1959 : 387 1960 - 1969 : 950 1970 - 1979 : 3354 1980 - 1989 : 10449 1990 - 1999 : 12196 2000 - 2009 : 9893 2010 - 2019 : 4750 2020 - 2029 : 1004 |
